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deckman
12-05-2008, 07:10 PM
hi there ive got an exam soon on the workdsof dylan thomas and im having trouble getting my head around this poem i was wondering if someone could give me an idea of the themes and stufffor this poem, thanks

Before I knocked and flesh let enter,
With liquid hands tapped on the womb,
I who was as shapeless as the water
That shaped the Jordan near my home
Was brother to Mnetha's daughter
And sister to the fathering worm.

I who was deaf to spring and summer,
Who knew not sun nor moon by name,
Felt thud beneath my flesh's armour,
As yet was in a molten form
The leaden stars, the rainy hammer
Swung by my father from his dome.

I knew the message of the winter,
The darted hail, the childish snow,
And the wind was my sister suitor;
Wind in me leaped, the hellborn dew;
My veins flowed with the Eastern weather;
Ungotten I knew night and day.

As yet ungotten, I did suffer;
The rack of dreams my lily bones
Did twist into a living cipher,
And flesh was snipped to cross the lines
Of gallow crosses on the liver
And brambles in the wringing brains.

My throat knew thirst before the structure
Of skin and vein around the well
Where words and water make a mixture
Unfailing till the blood runs foul;
My heart knew love, my belly hunger;
I smelt the maggot in my stool.

And time cast forth my mortal creature
To drift or drown upon the seas
Acquainted with the salt adventure
Of tides that never touch the shores.
I who was rich was made the richer
By sipping at the vine of days.

I, born of flesh and ghost, was neither
A ghost nor man, but mortal ghost.
And I was struck down by death's feather.
I was a mortal to the last
Long breath that carried to my father
The message of his dying christ.

You who bow down at cross and altar,
Remember me and pity Him
Who took my flesh and bone for armour
And doublecrossed my mother's womb.

Dylan Thomas

madkill
12-05-2008, 07:13 PM
just from the first stanza I gathered betrayal and pregnancy.
New Life and Birth.
But a guy who is getting a brothers/best friends wife/girl friend pregnant.
Now i need to read the rest ^^;

EDIT: as for the rest, you should figure it out for yourself, not get us to 'help(do) you(r) homework :>

Yog
12-05-2008, 07:28 PM
Before I knocked and flesh let enter,
With liquid hands tapped on the womb,
I who was as shapeless as the water
That shaped the Jordan near my home
Was brother to Mnetha's daughter
And sister to the fathering worm.

I would say we start with a reference to sex as a creative process. Let your imagination wander as to how this could be inferred from:

Before I knocked and flesh let enter,
With liquid hands tapped on the womb,
I who was as shapeless as the water

I think from there you'll want to make some comparisons between the birth canal and the River Jordan. The common thread will be a river of life. I'm not quite getting this reference but I'm guessing it's biblical: "Was brother to Mnetha's daughter."

I think overall it's a cycle of life poem: birth, life, death, paralells spring, summer, winter.

Silver Wind
12-05-2008, 09:34 PM
This does not really belong in critique. I am going to move it somewhere I think is more apporpraite. Critique should be for poets to post thier own original poems